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Écrivant surtout sur des sites non français je mets un petit mot sur le sujet en Anglais

Daniel . wrote : quoting Krishnamurti
what happens if you don’t term, if you don’t give a name to an experience ? If you are not naming the various sensations, if you have no background, where is the ’you’ ? That is, when it is not named, the feeling or the experience withers away, it has no continuity. Experiment with yourself, and you will see.

If you have a very strong feeling of nationalism, what happens ? You give it a name, the thought arises of idealism, love, ’my country ; that is, you term it and thereby give it a continuity. It is very difficult not to term it, because the process of naming a feeling is so automatic, so instantaneous.

Naming means memory...processing of information by thought , analysing etc

one always go back to that is not it, thought or not thought....was it one meaning of « to be or not to be ? »
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thought is mechanical, is a calculator, gives birth to pain...to wars ,destruction, mass crimes, and machines..poverty and torture , organised genocides, organised unemployment etc

between : wars, destruction, crimes , tools...what are the three wrong choices ?

thought’s program as I see it contains ,out of many, one vital necessary adds-on which makes choices in order to reject or keep propositions, ideas, planning , made up by the analyser (me) in practical matters ...I keep that one, I reject that one then I organise a classification of techniques, ways of doing this or that etc 

this creates a hierarchy which is only relative..but already there one can fight for his own hierarchy , the maggots is already in the fruit ( French locution)...the wrong turn is already there in the absence of something x, which is not of thought ...so which is not the analyser or me..

this can be said only afterwards some always involuntary experiments, insights, seeing, vision in that matter , so it means that one had been very wrong first then something took place to solve some of it bringing by itself some lights on any matter in fact.

this is suffering acting as a catalyst .

This adds-on yet of course is useful in practical fields , vital even as if it was not for it we could not make any practical choice so decision so would not survive, so it seems to be but ???

this adds-on in the absence of any other capacity is now invading the mental fields, the fields where we actually meet others...

and this adds-on is going to do the exact same with people , as it does with ideas, with practicality , here the wrong turn made by mankind is easier to perceive..

the analyser , which is a relative , relative to itself of course, relative tool-calculator etc, is not aware that it is a tool nor that it is relative so that its only referent is ...itself, that only is already a disaster. Out of many disasters to come its view has now become absolute...

it is now going to classify-eliminate people from its point of view as the supreme « commander » , I can use that one ,this one I kill..etc

from there anyone can see where it leads....my desires are the engine of all that, with all what lies behind which mostly is now unconscious ..it is not even a disaster, it is now far beyond that..

this is where the illusion of competition takes root....and this is not the end because this is where suicide takes root too..suicide which is the impossible attempt to escape from one’s suffering as everyone does not know..

well that is a very serious glitch in our brain..well what is left of it..

All this briefly put...all this has to be perceive somehow by oneself, of course thinking , analysing , intellectualising etc is not the way ..

OMG, by writing that I am realising that to be more wrong is not possible.. 

there is a way out, but it cannot be sought after,, an apparent paradox only..